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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Aug 17, 2007 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deadhook Dire NON DEAD HISTORY

Many times!

Hey interesting stuff from wikipedia about jihad of old days.

In 1783 the USA forced peace with and was recognized by British monarchy, and in 1784 the first American ship was seized by pirates from Morocco. After six months of negotiation, a treaty was signed, $60,000 cash was paid, and trade began. Morocco was the first independent nation to recognize the USA back in 1778.[3]

But Algeria was different. In 1784 two ships (the Maria of Boston and the Dauphin of Philadelphia) were seized, everything sold and their crews ordered to build port fortifications.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then the ambassador to France, and John Adams, then the ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the ambassador to Britain from Tripoli. The Americans asked Adja why his government was hostile to American ships, even though there had been no provocation. The ambassador's response was reported to the Continental Congress:

That it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.[4]

American ships sailing in the Mediterranean chose to travel close to larger convoys of other European powers who had bribed the pirates. In the early 1800s, President Thomas Jefferson proposed a league of smaller nations to patrol the area, but the USA could not contribute. For the prisoners, Algeria wanted $60,000 dollars, America offered $4,000. Jefferson said a million dollars would buy them off, but Congress would only appropriate $80,000. For eleven years Americans who lived in Algeria lived as slaves to Algerian Moors.

For a while, Portugal was patrolling the Straits of Gibraltar and preventing Barbary Pirates from entering the Atlantic. But they made a cash deal with the pirates, and they were again sailing into the Atlantic and engaging in piracy. By late 1793, a dozen American ships had been captured, goods stripped and everyone enslaved.

Portugal had offered some armed patrols, but American merchants needed an armed American presence to sail near Europe. After some serious debate, the United States Navy was born in March 1794. Six frigates were authorized, and so began the construction of the United States, the Constellation, the Constitution and three other frigates.

This new military presence helped to stiffen American resolve to resist the continuation of tribute payments, leading to the two Barbary Wars along the North African coast, the First Barbary War from 1801 to 1805 and the Second Barbary War in 1815. It was not until 1815 that naval victories ended tribute payments by the U.S., although some European nations continued annual payments until the 1830s.

The United States Marine Corps actions in these wars led to the line, "to the shores of Tripoli" in the opening of the Marine Hymn. Also, in order to reduce the likelihood of being beheaded while boarding enemy ships, Marines wore leather collars. This led to the nickname Leatherneck for U.S. Marines.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Aug 17, 2007 10:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Deadhook Dire NON DEAD HISTORY

thanks for the history! The Muslims of (ahem) yore, were very ok with the slavery of infidels and shame on our early founding fathers to condone it

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Aug 17, 2007 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rasta NON DEAD HISTORY

Yeah man, we should have seen the writing on the wall... or the seawall so to say. I learn something new every few months.

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Poster: sel2ims Date: Aug 17, 2007 11:38am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rasta NON DEAD HISTORY

Will the LMA C-6 follow ?

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Aug 17, 2007 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Rasta NON DEAD HISTORY

Olympia (C-6) was laid down 17 June 1891 by Union Iron Works, San Francisco, Calif., Launched 5 November 1892

Last time it was a gun, so I googled navy terms...

There is also:
C6 General Purpose Machine
Corvette C6.R
Sanyo Xacti C6
Citroen C6

There are also roller blades, martian geographic areas, epoxy, a telescope and a org that is down or blocked on my server.

Being not the master limerick encodist like yourself, please enlighten us as to what that means? Does have anything to do with scraping wavy gravy off lenny's station wagon in houston in 1976 or picking fish scales from uncle johns wooden teeth?

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